Wednesday, February 10, 2010

If evolution is true, then how come a box of computer parts never forms into a computer?

Because a box of computer parts does not conceive offspring, into which it would pass genetic material. With no offspring, you have no ';fittest'; to survive and propogate useful genetic characteristics.





Evolution is as true as gravity. If you don't believe in it either, don't walk out any third-floor windows any time soon!If evolution is true, then how come a box of computer parts never forms into a computer?
Because neither computer parts nor computers are alive.If evolution is true, then how come a box of computer parts never forms into a computer?
In order to answer your question seriously, you would have to have a basic understanding of biology, chemistry, and physics. And, judging by the question you're asking, I'm assuming you don't have that understanding quite yet.





Computer parts are non-organic, non-living, and composed largely of man-made or man-altered materials.





Evolution is a complicated thing to explain, but sometimes I like to think of populations of living things as marbles, and their environment as a maze. It's a very loose analogy, but it's fun to think about I suppose. The walls of the maze (which represent the environment, including living and non-living objects and data-- rocks, weather patterns, other animals, food, water, population density, stimuli) cause the path marble (the marble has no ';purpose'; , but the walls of the maze nudge it this way and that).





Maybe if you held a hot burner under the box containing the computer parts, it would be pressured by its environment to develop leg-like structures and run away, or melt. :)





Furthermore, individuals (box of components of one individual) never evolve, populations evolve. Perhaps if you placed many completely-assembled computers together in one place, and left them there for thousands of years, the end result would be a new species.





If you want to think of it in terms of hardware, a processor and a motherboard are reproductively isolated, they're different species, so they diverged long ago, perhaps their most recent common ancestor is silicone.





You're basically asking why a box of body parts don't assemble into one complete human. Evolution isn't about putting together pieces to assemble one whole unit of animal, it's about the survival of the species through time, and the eventual divergence of other species from the original (assuming the original survives long enough for that to happen).
After the big bang there were only a few elements in the universe. Later new ones evolved and soon they started to combine in different groups...





When you mix two substances they usually react with each other. If they don't you need to increase temperature or add a third substance...





And that's exactly what happened when life started.


There are trillions fantasilions shmillions of stars. There are guibillions derillions gubbilions of planets around them. But only idontknowhowmanyillions of them have the right conditions for life. Earth is fortunately one of them.


When a proper combination of elements joined in the right conditions amino acids appeared and later formed proteins.


The rest is history...





That's something we know. What we don't know is whether this was a coincidence or a higher being's (God, Allah, aliens) action.





And that's where faith starts.





I personally thing it was a coincidence, but you never know...





P.S. Is your question a joke about creationists' lack of proper arguments against evolution.


I mean... Computer parts... Come on!





Bible cannot be proved, evolution can.


Why don't you people ever call bible a theory. I'm not saying it's not true but it most likely isn't.
the same reason that even though your brain is full of nerve endings, they never seem to fire together to make a cohesive thought.
Because they aren't smart enough yet. Give it time.


For now anyways, the evolution of computers is dependant on us
hey! have you never carefully put away a bunch of computer parts in a box and stored them away for a month, but yet when you come back and open the box find they've managed to get themselves all tangled up together? ho! they're trying man! they're trying!
The basic component for evolution to take place has to be ';self replicating';. During that replication process changes occur and evolution selects for the ones that work better then the original.
Computer parts do not have any way of mutating, so they never change.
Are you for real? Evolution applies to living organisms. Computer parts have no DNA. Using your logic, I should just buy a doorknob and wait for it to evolve into a house.
This question is analagous to the much older question of why doesn't a chimpanzee banging on a typwriter at random ever write a perfect Shakesperean sonnet? The answer to this question is that there is no natural selection. However, if the chimp keeps banging enough copies over and over and there is something like the natural environment deciding which letters are correct or not correct, then eventually he WILL type a Shakesperean sonnet!! This has been proven by direct experimentation. The same might apply to computer parts. You just need enough assembly attempts plus some kind of natural selection to govern what is a successful assembly and what is not, and Voila, you will have your fully assembled computer! I think you are now learning something about how the natural world functions.
Computer parts do not have life within them





I can't believe I answered this stupid question
I'll try to be more understanding ... but you really don't understand what the theory of evolution says.





First, evolution does not answer the question of how life *started* from something not alive. Only how the current diversity of life arose once life did start.





Second, all theories about how life *did* start (and there are many ... this is a very difficult question), emphasize a *huge* amount of time.





Third, the first life forms were far less complex than a computer (althought the very question of defining what ';complex'; means, is a problem in itself).





So really, you need to study evolution a bit more before you can ridicule it properly.
You wasted 5 points asking this? Guess no one ever explained to you what inanimate means, did they?
The theory of evolution covers the change in LIVING things over time.





Hence, it has very little to say about non-living computer parts.





If you actually want to learn something sensible about evolution check out talkorigins. I recommend ';29+ evidences of macroevolution';, though I warn you it will take a long time to read, because there is so much evidence.
the tiny welding tool was not included in the box.
You gotta give it a few million years! :)
Because they do not have any mechanism which moves the individual parts around in different combinations, that means no appropriate energy source. The computer parts are way to large to undergo random movements due to thermal energy (as molecules do). So you could have the computer parts sitting for centuries on a shelf and unless there is something like an earthquake they won't move a bit. So how do you think they can assemble in any combination? It's a matter of size and physics. I don't think it is by chance that life started small and on a molecular level.





If you take a lot of people though who don't know the least thing about computers, give each of them a box of computer parts, I bet somebody will manage to stick the parts together correctly, even if they have absolutely no clue about what they are doing. The people would provide the source of energy for evolution. I don't think you can get evolution without an energy source. And of course you also would need something like quality control if you want to get correctly built computers with increasing frequency...
The reason the universe was able to form from 'inanimate' materials is because organic compounds are the essential building blocks of life. Stanley Miller performed an experiment that included all the conditions of earth before life began and even before organic compounds existed. The temperature and electricity applied to the elements, such as carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen, caused the formation of amino acids, which form proteins. Those who do not believe in devine intervention would say that this was the beginning of life. Therefore, without devine intervention, a computer could never 'evolve' from a box of parts, and if it did, then that would not be considered evolution but would be considered a miracle.
The question is not stupid atall..


the scientists from Michigan state university are working on the evolution of the systems and the project is called 'avida'...


lets see if this is going to work in some billion yrs or before that!!!!





Cheers.....
evolution deel with matter not inanimate objects
Humans created computers. It is foolish to think that a computer can put itself together.





It is an oversimplification then to conclude that living organisms which are vastly more complex than computers should also have a creator.





....therefore...





God created the universe. It is foolish to think that the universe put itself together.





Evolution then comes into question depending on which account of genisis (cosmic origin) you believe. I mean, would the creator of the universe be smart enough to create living organisms that ';evolve';?
This is your hand .But it is not you.


This is your leg. But it is not you .


This is your brain. But it is not you .


This is your heart. But it is not you .


Where are you?


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The most simple design, which was created


by the God / Nature , is atom of hydrogen.


The most complex design, which was created


by the God / Nature , is the Man.


The Man is alive essence.


Animals, bird, fish are alive essences.


And an atom?


And atom is also alive design.


The atom of hydrogen lives 12 minutes.


And someone a long time ago has already said, that if


to give suffices time to atom of hydrogen, he will turn into Man.


Therefore, the one, who creates a general picture of Life,


must consider development of evolution of Life from atom up to the Man.


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Once upon a time, in the beginning, there was one ';single point '; accidentally.


Then it has caught a cold accidentally and has blown up: Big Bang '; has taken place.


It was the reason of accidental creation of some hundreds


(thousands) kinds of elementary particles and their girlfriends - antiparticles.


Then stars were formed accidentally.


Then the Planet the Earth was formed accidentally.


Then atom of hydrogen was accidentally formed.


Then complex atom was accidentally formed.


Then was accidentally formed vegetative and fauna.


Then the man was created accidentally.


And this man can accidentally think logically.


But of course, unfortunately, not always.


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Wouldn't your question be a bit like asking why if God created the Earth he hasn't created anything lately?





To our knowledge the only self replicating biology is carbon based and cellular. Computers are neither.
that's the worst analogy i've ever heard. you're stupid. if god existed why didn't he give you a brain?
Evolution is not a theory which explains how a computer is built. It explains how life evolves and continues to evolve on this planet. The primordial soup theory is one which explains the origin of the first living cell, and it has much little support for it than does the theory of evolution which is concerned with how the diversity of life came to be from one single living cell.





The first living cell is thought to have arisen from the formation of organic molecules and their subsequent formation of genetic material under the harsh conditions of prehistoric earth. This theory is suspect. There are other theories, that organic molecules and genetic material landed on earth via a comet from another system. This would make sense especially if there are signs of microbes and bacteria that exist on other planets in our solar system, and they think that they may have found fossilized microbes in rocks from Mars.





There are a number of theories for this. And even the theory that a higher being placed these molecules on Earth, is plausible as well, since there's no real way to explain it, but the origin of the first microbe has little to do with the theory of evolution and does not negate the strong evidence supporting the diversification of species on this planet via the evolutionary/survival of the fittest mechanism.

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